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I left in '64, came back klder '66 and I came back Horyn the teeth of the Sixties. It was a very different place. We still wore coats and ties to Hormy. The undergraduate library was not open to women. Hkrny was about three wkmen of a mile oermanshah but kermanshay had their own library, which was open to men. Harvard and Radcliffe did classes together but there were still a lot of traditions which were hanging on by their teeth. I think in my freshman year there the college decided to award diplomas in English vice Latin and woen had a big demonstration, sometimes kermandhah somewhat wmoen an overstated way as 100 sex live web cam room Latin Riots.

Ekrmanshah gathered on the steps of the library, someone in a toga made an oration in Latin that no one could understand. Which side of the issue did you fall? I didn't care that much but it was an excuse to kermansnah out. I remember it was oldsr phonss evening and winters in Cambridge keramnshah about phonex oder long, HHorny just the idea of just being able to get out in the air after six months, to olddr an excuse, was good. What were sort of your favorite courses and less favorite courses? When I was okder high school, it was the era of Sputnik and one of the things they started teaching was Russian and I thought that would be fun to ladjes. So I studied Russian in high school and kermamshah was, I enjoyed womne and I thought I wanted to continue it in college.

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He worked for the Labor Department and kefmanshah got a posting to Iran through what was the original AID klder went Horhy for a few years. Since I plder then in oleer I was able to, kermanhsah the regulations of the time, to have the government pay for a trip for Hotny to go out and Hornh him. This was my first time outside kemanshah the Krmanshah. We didn't travel very much. People didn't travel oolder much out of the U. So that was and that was really the plder of two things: A lot of things followed from that. Your olde trip to Iran, how did it strike you? First of all, I was fascinated because it was like nothing I'd ever seen.

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Little bit of both. People didn't want to discuss politics. It was a police state. I wasn't going to embarrass people or get them in trouble by going at politics. What did I know at the time? But a couple of, one thing that did strike me. He's coming from the airport and he's going to visit another part of town. There was indifference and I was struck by that. You know, I said, this guy could live or die, people don't seem to care very much. They carry on their lives. But in fact, let's see, that was the summer of '62, a year later there were very serious riots in Teheran, very bloody ones, provoked by some of the more extreme religious groups against the Shah's policy.

My father always said that this place was like, what's the word, a volcano ready to erupt, fire under the ashes, there was a lot of resentment and pent up violence waiting to explode. Turned out he was quite right but you didn't see it in a day to day existence. I just wanted to go out and learn something, learn more, about the whole region and I went to the Middle East Center at Harvard. I think what impressed me there was that people of the center were actually welcoming, which if you know anything about Harvard, most places are not that way. The students are treated mostly as something of an intrusion into more serious activities.

I know when I came out of the air force I dropped by Harvard to see if I could go for a master's degree. I was so turned off by it that I transferred and got a quick master's at Boston University. Well, the Middle East Center was different. It was a small area within the university, within the college and they were actually happy and encouraging that people wanted to pursue that course of study. Major figure in Arabic and Islamic studies. Turned out it was the last year he gave the course. I think the next year he didn't, that it was one of those courses they give in alternate years and then he got sick, had health problems and couldn't give the course after that.

So I always felt very fortunate. Somewhere I still have my notes for that course, which are a treasure trove. Gibb never published very much but he was just brilliant. That and a course in Byzantine history, given by a Professor Wolfe, known as the Byzantine despot, It was very rigorous and you learned your stuff. Again, what a fascinating subject. They were both fascinating subjects. In a way, did sort of the Arab-Israeli thing, you were there, let's see, '64, so this was before the '67 war but did Israel crop up in your courses or was this more a cultural look at the area? I suppose I could have done courses that way but this was very beginning stuff. It was more a geography, anthropology, ethnography and you know, it's funny, you asked about Arab-Israeli things but that issue was pretty much kept out of the classroom.

Did the fact that Henry Kissinger was on the campus, did he raise any interest? I had no interest in taking any government courses. Never did, never have. I always thought that was very wise on my part. Did you take Arabic? Well, as I told you, my Russian courses were a disaster so I wasn't sure I had any ability in languages. But in my senior year I studied Arabic. Professor Gibb came in the first day to teach the beginning Arabic course and of course we were just all blown away that this senior, senior scholar would deign to do something like this. Of course it was bait and switch because he didn't stay. But our teacher actually was very good. She was Margaret Mead's daughter, Kathy Bateson.

She was very good, very rigorous and we learned our declensions and conjugations of Arabic verbs. Arabic is complex but somehow I found it just more congenial, certainly more congenial than Russian, at least at that level. So I did a year of classical Arabic. Couldn't say anything but they don't teach you classical Arabic so you can say anything. Well then, you graduated in ' Went in the Peace Corps. It was out there. From my class, many went directly to graduate schools, some went into the military and a number did go into Peace Corps. I think were the three countries. Afghanistan opened up later. So basically you went to Iran from '64 to '66? Well, where did they send you?

Well, first they sent me to Ann Arbor, Michigan. That's a good start. That's a very good start, for ten weeks of some of the best training I've ever had. We had five or six hours a day of intensive Persian and I found that I was actually pretty good at languages, contrary to what I had thought, contrary to my experience in Russian. Maybe because Persian has no cases and it has no genders but for whatever reason I was pretty good at it. In addition to language classes, we had some excellent speakers, including Richard Cottam from University of Pittsburgh, who was probably the outstanding scholar on the Iranian nationalist movement of the Fifties.

This was the Mossadegh period. I believe Cottam had been Foreign Service at one point and had left and had gone into academia. But it was really a privilege to have that course. I know Peace Corps doesn't do this anymore. Peace Corps doesn't do these stateside training courses anymore and I know it's good to do the training in the country but at least when we got there we spoke the language at some level, probably about a two level. We could make our way around and we had some basic knowledge. Of course, one thing I remember about the course, we had a wonderful group of Iranians who were our language teachers. They were just delightful people. It was the first time I'd really been in close contact with young Iranians over a period of time, including four members of one family.

And at one point, the people in the program presented a section on health and sanitation, keeping yourself healthy and so forth, and they showed a film about Saudi Arabia. Well, as you might imagine, the Iranians were very upset that there could be any possible factor in common between those Arabs of the desert and civilized Iranians and believe me, we heard about that for a long time. Also, I learned other things. With the Iranian teachers we decided we would play Monopoly. Well, yes it was Monopoly. Yes, it was vaguely recognizable but the game we ended up playing had nothing to do with what is normally known as Monopoly. You turned your back, your money was gone, your property would be exchanged, side deals were negotiated, side deals were broken.

Thinking back, at first I was somewhat shocked and then I realized that they found Monopoly, as it was, a very dull game. It does, but they turned it into something actually much more interesting. And, again, there were lessons out there. We played volleyball with our teachers, we went out drinking with our teachers. It was, thinking back to it, there was a lot to learn there. Well, were you picking up and obviously it's very important to your later life, but the political dynamics of Iran, the rule of the Shah and religion and all that.

Not that they were teaching it but before you went out was this something that came out? It was in the background. I think we had one teacher who was, politically active on the left, with the Iranian Student Federation. But, as I said, these things were in the background. Of course, once you got there, the reality, the degree of control hit you very hard, as a wet towel, you couldn't miss it. Was there, did you have any contact, before you went out, with anybody from the State Department or was this still there was a strong line between the two, a division? I don't remember anyone from State coming to our training. I'm told that in the very earliest days of Peace Corps senior people would come out, senior people from the government, because the Peace Corps was still pretty glamorous.

A friend of mine did his Peace Corps training here in Washington and describes a parade of senior officials that would come out but I don't recall that we had that. Remember, this was after Kennedy's death. By the time you graduated from Harvard, had Vietnam stirred much interest or not? It was starting but it was still, as I recall, it was on a low flame. You look at that later on but between about '64 and ''68 how quickly that just became such a major issue to us. I had a college roommate who was in Army ROTC and he did his two years of service in Italy, don't think it was ever mentioned or suggested that he go to Vietnam. Well then, where did they send you after Ann Arbor?

Where were you sent? We went, we flew to Teheran, spent about a week there, then we got our assignments and I was in Kurdistan, a town called Sanandaj, which is the provincial capital of Iranian Kurdistan. It's about three-four hundred miles straight west of Teheran and about a hundred miles east of the Iraqi border. It's a mostly Sunni town, in those days, estimatedpeople. It's about 5, feet above sea level, in the mountains. And that's where I ended up. Talk a little about the area. Was this, these, the Sunnis, the basic Iranian population were Shia. About ninety per cent of Iranians are Shia. Maybe nine per cent are Sunni, people of the periphery, the Kurds, the Turkmen, the Baluch.

And then about one per cent are the various religions minorities: Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians. The group you were with were Kurds, mainly? The town was Kurdish. Since it was the administrative center, in the central government offices, there were many people there from other parts of Iran working for the government, either in the administration or as teachers. The chief of education and the deputy chief of education, which is the area I worked since I was assigned there as a teacher, were both from other places. Many of my fellow teachers were from other places. The education systems was in Persian, so that although people spoke to each other in whatever language was mutually comprehensible.

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I did evening classes both for adults and for students. We need you in some of the outlying towns of the province. So I did keep myself busy with those activities. Were you, it was a city you were in? It was a city. As I said it had aboutpeople. It had running water. It had paved streets. There were shops there. We could get butter and some instant coffee and various foreign-type products, in limited supply. It was a mountainous area so it got cold in the wintertime.

It could get very isolated but there was regular eomen service to Kermanshan. It was all-day trip. The nearest large town is a ,ermanshah called Kermanshah, which was about two or three hours away. There were other volunteers there and that was nice to visit, and to see other Americans. I had a kermanshau, there domen two of us Hory there. Mermanshah were maybe six or seven high schools, the girls high schools and the boys high schools were separate but we taught in both. And it was in many ways a typical middle-sized Iranian provincial town, with kermandhah slight difference that ethnically it was not Persian it was Kurdish and that most of the people were Sunni and not Shia.

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Exerting ni authority was not always easy. The students were doing their best in a tough system. Very few had much prospect of going beyond high school. Very few even finished high school, either girls or boys. Of those who did, very few of kermanshqh would get into the university. There was wlmen competitive examination for university places and the pass rate was not high and it was not high for people coming out of these provincial towns. Mermanshah you picking up a feeling on being Kurdish and Sunni, this would weigh against Hornh also? Being Kurdish might have oldder how far they would go in the administration, how far they could advance, but I never picked that up.

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I think I got the better of the bargain. Was the big American buildup there, which had such devastating consequences, that hadn't started? No, that was far in the future. That didn't come until really after '72, ' There had been what they called a Point Four mission in Sanandaj, in fact that's where we stayed when we first came, but it had closed down. Point Four was basically the old AID program. It was the old AID program. It was Truman's four points. Exactly, it was well known in Iran as Point Four. I don't remember the people being resented.

They were not in large numbers and they did some good things, whether it was animal vaccinations or education projects or public health, they did some good work and the numbers were not large. I think the post in Sanandaj, when we got there was maybe one person, one American staff left with a small Iranian staff and they were closing down. The big impact of course came with the military, buildup of the Shah's military, all the infrastructure that came with it. Exactly and that was, mercifully that was still far off in the future. Conflicting christopher pummer, significant to the for drivers over 25, there is also a generic way looking.

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